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February 24, 2005



Not sure you can view this in isolation. The Daschle race was openly targeted by Republicans with national financial and logistical support. That was not a secret to the reporters at the Argus. If a reporter does things differently simply because she is being monitored (i.e., read and discussed), whether by a paid or volunteer monitor, that makes you wonder about what the reporter was writing when not being monitored, no?


Two points:

1. Look up "working the refs".

2. The first step toward detecting/preventing "working the refs" in blog comments would be some sort of "disclosure" checkbox and field, so that readers could at least recognize the honest shills.


Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Everyone knows that there are far more journalism students than there are journalism jobs.

If Kranz, state editor Patrick Lalley, and executive editor Randell Beck had their "heads" invaded, then maybe they should move on to another job and let young journalists in.


Dan, we are at war.

We are participants in a struggle for the future of the blogoshpere. This war will determine whether the blogoshpere will go the way of talk radio or become a new world order for journalism. Blogs have the potential of being the best thing to happen to journalism since the First Amendment.

I ended up agreeing with the right on the Eason Jordan affair and to some degree on the fake National Guard memo, however not for the same reasons on the latter. Dan Rather and CBS practiced sloppy journalism and got what anyone who uses unattributable sources deserves. In regards to the story of the fake memo story, I thought the biasness was for bragging rights, personal ambition, TV ratings, and the ever elusive Holy Grail for reporters, the scoop, but not some liberal plot by a cabal of liberally biased journalist. I’m cynical; I would never taint MSM journalist with something as noble as partisan politics.

But the fascist on the right would do that and more. Before the next four years of self-righteous, faith-based government has run its course, I expect blogoshpere to suffer a Kristallnacht in which the brown-shirted right wing bloggers will run amuck destroying any site in the blogoshpere that does not practice group think or right think. And since they are so far to the right, the center looks left to them. So objectivity and unaffiliation will be no defense.

Blogs offer remedies for major failures for which the MSM suffers. A member of the MSM will not call foul on another member and the over use of unnamed sources in MSM are prime examples. No one leaks on leakers. No secret in Washington is safer than the names of leakers. A reporter’s story could be published which anyone with any intelligence could see was shoddy journalism, but the other MSM in a position to know will say nothing. Not so with bloggers. Bloggers will hold the MSM to account for the public position they command. Bloggers will make MSM practice good journalism.

And hopefully, bloggers will hold right wing bloggers to account also. We are in a war to determine the fate of the blogoshpere. Will it become a tool of the right like talk radio? Will the right destroy any they cannot buy? Will it become like Henry Ford’s Model T: you can have any thought you wish in the blogoshpere as long as they are black? Pray God protect us from the self-righteous.


Impressive, "scou29c". You worked references to fascism, Kristallnacht and brown shirts all into a single paragraph, thus eliminating any value your comment might otherwise have had.

Dan Gillmor

Fred, I agree that scou29c's language goes over the top, and thus tends to undermine his otherwise interesting comment. Such language is perilously close to trollishness, which I will not allow to take root on this blog.


Dan, you saw the Joe Drymala comment at Unfogged? ( 2nd quote in Lex's post here ) -
"Here's a question that I find myself wrestling with: what marks the end of traditional politics, and the beginning of something else? In other words, at what point do terms like "partisanship" become obsolete with regard to the political circumstances of the day?..."

bob stenseth

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